Joaquin Noris Tirado

Notes:

Consent of parents for the Marriage of Joaquin Noris and Fransisca Macias

Record of Engagement of Joaquin Noris and Fransisca Macias.

This was translated 25 years ago - Not sure who did the translating.

November 28, 1979

Jesus Macias, father, of Fransisca Macias gives permission for her to marry.
About the bride: Fransisca moved from Mazatlan, Mexico, 6 years ago, 1873, and is 18 years old.
Her parents are Jesus Macias and Ester Padilla, both living.

The bridge groom, Joaquin Noris, is 23 years old. His father is Genaro Noris and his mother is Ignacia Tirado, both parents dead.

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Record of marriage of Joaquin Noris and Fransisca Macias from computer, hard to read the writing.

Translation from computer
In the parish church at Rosario February three, thousand eight hundred eighty I Priest Trinidad Cortes, the priest in charge of this jurisdiction upon the information style, the three council; the confession and communion married veiled at first bridal to Joaquin Noris with Francisca Macias, I took them by the hands on twenty-four of December and see him in February this year. Were godparents Téofilo Noris and Victoriana Noris. Witnesses of this act known as Morcora Sanas and Manuel Cañedo, that I give Notary number.

Joaquin married Francisca Macias de Noris Padilla 3 Feb 1880, Rosario, Sinaloa, Mexico. Francisca (daughter of Jesus Macias del Rio and Maria Ester Padilla Rodrigues) was born 1862, Mazatlan, Sinaloa, Mexico; died Oct 1952, Mexico City, Mexico City, Mexico; was buried , Mexico City, Mexico City, Mexico. [Group Sheet]

1. Jose Joaquin Genaro de Jesus Noris Macias was born 21 Oct 1880, Rosario, Sinaloa, Mexico; was christened 11 Nov 1880, Rosario, Sinaloa, Mexico; died 20 Mar 1955, Cuauhtémoc, Federal District, México.
2. Genaro Noris Macias was born 19 Aug 1882, Rosario, Sinaloa, Mexico; was christened 27 Aug 1882, Rosario, Sinaloa, Mexico; died 24 Sep 1927, Rosario, Sinaloa, Mexico; was buried 15 Aug 1929, Rosario, Sinaloa, Mexico.
3. Guadalupe Noris Macias was born 29 Oct 1884, Rosario, Sinaloa, Mexico.
4. Dolores Noris Macias was born Mar 1887, Rosario, Sinaloa, Mexico; died 12 Sep 1888, Rosario, Sinaloa, Mexico.

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At the christening were 'Padrinos' Juan Miguel Reisgo and Carmen Rivera.
At the marriage were 'Testigos' Angel Lopez Portillo and Manuela Meclina.

Jose married Maria Ygnacia Triado Acosta 21 Aug 1856, Mazatlan, Sinaloa, Mexico. Maria (daughter of Jose Florencio Tirado Sarmiento and Maria Josefa Acosta) was born 20 Jan 1832, Rosario, Sinaloa, Mexico; died Bef 1879. [Group Sheet]

Notes:

'Padrinos' were Gil Fletes and Maria Ygnacia Tirado.

Notes:

First Noris in El Rosario according to Polo Bouttier. The 'Testigos' were Juan Maria Ramirez and Trinidad Melendres and Miguel Quirov. The record also states his previous spouse (Maria Dolores Acuña) who was deceased.

Birth:
02.19.2022 Birth location may be "La Villa de San Juan de Rio" based on marriage record.

Name:
On 02.27.2021 the first name was changed from Joaquin to Juan based on the marriage record.

On 07.29.2021 the first name changed from Juan to Joaquin. This is based on the marriage record states 'Joaquin is from San Juan'.

Buried:
Buried in the family cemetery, the grave is currently unmarked.

Joaquin married Maria Josepha Victoriana Cibrián Riva y Rada 17 Aug 1822, Rosario, Sinaloa, Mexico. Maria (daughter of Juan José de la Luz Cibrian Rendon and Maria Josefa de la Riva y Rada) was born 23 Mar 1797, Rosario, Sinaloa, Mexico; was christened 29 Mar 1797, Rosario, Sinaloa, Mexico; died Yes, date unknown. [Group Sheet]

Notes:

At the birth was "Padrinos" Jose Maria de Cibrian and Manuala Cibrian.

Name on this FS record displays as "Maria Josefa De Jesus Sibriain Riva".

"México, bautismos, 1560-1950," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NG9Z-M4F : accessed 29 Jun 2014), Juan Sibriain in entry for Maria Josefa De Jesus Sibriain Riva, 25 Dec 1793; citing NUESTRA SENORA DEL ROSARIO,ROSARIO,SINALOA,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 676094.

Christened:
"México bautismos, 1560-1950", database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JSD4-HZ9 : 19 May 2021), Maria Josepha Victoriana Cibrian Riva, 1797. Film 676094 image 380.

Notes:

At the christening were 'Padrinos' Francisco Echeagaray and Ygnacia Loaiza.

Died:
Based on marriage record of daughter Victoriana Tirado Acosta.

Jose married Maria Josefa Acosta 5 Jul 1821, Rosario, Sinaloa, Mexico. Maria (daughter of Calletano Acosta and María Acosta) was born Abt. 1800, Rosario, Sinaloa, Mexico. [Group Sheet]

Notes:

Birth:
Location based on marriage record.

Name:
First name Maria based on son's Jose Florencio christening record.

Notes:

Married:
The marriage record of their daughter Victoriana Tirado Acosta to Juan Excudero support they are the parents of Victoriana.

Julian married Maria de los Rios Morales. Maria was born Abt 1773; died Yes, date unknown. [Group Sheet]

Notes:

At the christening was 'Madrina' Rita de la Vega y Vique.

At the marriage were 'Testigos' Antonino Nuñez and Santana Nuñez, Domingo Yrdiayn.

Juan married Maria Josefa de la Riva y Rada 15 Apr 1784, Rosario, Sinaloa, Mexico. Maria (daughter of Francisco Antonio de la Riva y Rada Molledo and Guzmán) was born Abt. 1764; died Before 28 Jul 1822. [Group Sheet]

Notes:

At the marriage were 'Testigos' (Possibly a married couple) Antonino Nuñez and Santana Nuñez, Domingo Urdiayn.

Possible father of Maria Josepha de la Riva y Rada and possible spouse of Maria Josepha Narcisa Cortes Díaz:
Francisco de la Riva: FamilySearch.org (LTRZ-7WT) is Francisco de la Riva record.

Birth:
Estimated based on husband birth date.

Name:
The original entry had the last name 'Guzman' but eliminated it on 09172017 based on FamilySearch.org record had no mention of 'Guzman'.

The last name "Riva y Rada" is noted in the marriage record of her daughter Maria Josefa de Jesus Cibrian de la Riva y Rada and also the daughter Maria Josepha Victoriana Cibrián Riva y Rada birth record.

On 08.05.2021 the last name "Cortes" was removed based on lack of supporting documentation.

***In talking with Polo today (08.21.2021) THE MOTHER IS NOT Maria Josepha Narcisa Guzmán Camacho. The father is Joseph (José) Maria Riva y Rada, a priest. In the marriage document Juan José de la Luz Cibrian, the father's name is Francisco de la Riva (he is not the father). He is an uncle to Maria Josepha de la Riva y Rada. Priest were not to have children so Francisco name is written on the document and brother of Manuel Antonio de la Riva y Rada.***

Mother's name is unknown.

11.23.2021 In FamilySearch.org, Maria Josefa de la Riva y Rada ID number is LHGS-62L. Currently, she is attached to a father Francisco de la Riva y Rada LTRZ-7WT that will be merged with Francisco Antonio de la Riva y Rada Marcela FamilySearch ID number GDWS-TG2.

11.23.2021 Also her current FamilySearch.org ID is LHGS-62L.

Died:
Based on marriage record of Maria Jesus Sibrian de la Riva y Rada to Miguel Juan Quiroz.

Notes:

In the marriage record of Salvador Tirado Soto Maior with Maria Nicolasa de Loreto Sarmiento Padilla it mentions that Salvador Tirado was from the area of San Sabastian.

At the marriage of Salvador Tirado Soto Maior with Gertrudis Nuñez were 'Testigos' Ramon Nuñez and Raphaela Lopez Portillo of this area and married to Gertrudis Murua.

"Polo" mentioned that Salvador Tirado was the 1st Tirado in Rosario.

Birth:
Based on daughter's (Maria Josepha Ygnacia Tirado Sarmiento) death record.

Name:
On 03.01.2021 the last name "Maior" was removed and replaced with "Sotomayor" after further review of marriage document.

Salvador married Maria Nicolasa de Loreto Sarmiento Padilla 13 Nov 1793, Rosario, Sinaloa, Mexico. Maria (daughter of Juan Joseph Maria Sarmiento Balmaseda and Barbara Padilla) was christened 10 Sep 1775, Rosario, Sinaloa, Mexico; died Before 5 Jun 1821. [Group Sheet]

Notes:

At the christening was 'Madrina' Petra Martinez de la Paz y Loayza.

Died:
Based on marriage record of her son Jose Florencio Tirado Sarmiento.

Notes:

Birth:
Location based on marriage record of daughter Josefa Maria Acosta.

Died:
Source: Based on marriage record of his daughter Josefa Acosta.

Calletano married María Acosta. María was born Abt. 1770, Rosario, Sinaloa, Mexico; died Before 5 Jul 1821. [Group Sheet]

Notes:

Birth:
Location based on marriage record of daughter Josefa Maria Acosta.

Name:
Or Monica.

Died:
Based on marriage record of her daughter Josefa Acosta.

Notes:

Parents of Maria Josefa Acosta based on her marriage record.